Morning Walk Conversation Atreya Rsi: San Diego is very close to the border of Mexico, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …the cemetery of dog, one becomes dog. Yes, that is stated. Atreya Rsi: Yes. Prabhupada: Yanti bhutani bhutejya. “The worshiper of this bhuta goes to the bhuta.” Mad-yajino ’pi yanti mam. “And those who are worshiper of Me, they come to Me.” Atreya Rsi: Yes. Prabhupada: A good reason. If you worship Krsna, go to Krsna. If you worship the dog, you go to dog. Devotee (1): Mayavadis, they say you can worship anything and it is all the same? Prabhupada: Huh? Devotee (1): Do the Mayavadis say you can worship anything and it is all the same? Prabhupada: Yes. (chuckles) That is their nonsense. Krsna says different thing, but they have manufactured their own way. Is that a temple? Devotee (1): Yes, Srila Prabhupada. It’s a nice gold dome. Prabhupada: It appears as church. It is a church? Devotee (1): Yes. I do not know what kind. Christian church. [break] Atreya Rsi: Krsna has endowed California with a lot of natural beauty. Prabhupada: Yes. Atreya Rsi: All year around there is nice flowers and green. Devotee (1): Sunshine. Prabhupada: And you know how to utilize them. Therefore, Krsna has given you this land. Now utilize it and develop Krsna consciousness. It will be heaven. Atreya Rsi: We could have an idea like you have in India on the beach for rich people to come and learn Krsna consciousness. Prabhupada: Yes. Atreya Rsi: It’s a very beautiful spot. Prabhupada: Bombay. Atreya Rsi: Like Bombay. Such an idea, it would be very nice here for all the rich, artists, intelligent people, everybody to come and rest and learn Krsna consciousness. Prabhupada: Let them learn there and implement the idea here. The whole city, whole country will be glorified. Atreya Rsi: Jaya. We need to have more cow protection. Prabhupada: Yes. Atreya Rsi: On the West Coast, it would be very nice if we had some cow protection. Prabhupada: These people must stop this cow killing, the greatest sin. They should divert their tendency for happiness differently than by killing and drinking. Devotee (1): They are thinking they cannot live without eating cows. Prabhupada: Huh? Devotee (1): They think they cannot live without eating cows. Prabhupada: They do not know. We can teach them how to get better vitaminous foodstuff from cow’s milk. Yes. Let the cow live, and she supplies her blood in the form of milk, and you take vitaminous foodstuff from milk. That is civilization. Milk is also cow’s blood. But take this blood in a humanely way, not by killing. Milk is nothing but blood of cow. Suppose if you kill one cow, you get blood how much, how many pounds? Devotee (1): Some number? Prabhupada: No, just guess, how many pounds blood you can get? Devotee (1): Fifty pounds? Prabhupada: Fifty pounds. But if you keep the cows, you get thirty pounds daily. This is intelligence. Instead of getting once fifty pounds and finished, why don’t you get it daily thirty pounds? Devotee (1): Because they’re lusty. Atreya Rsi: We have to set the example, Prabhupada, through your mercy. Prabhupada: Yes. This is foolishness. Just like one has got some money, he utilizes his money and gets daily some income. And if he wants to spend all at once, that is foolishness. Atreya Rsi: Now they think they are smart. They think they can mass produce animals and mass kill them. Prabhupada: Mass killing? Atreya Rsi: Mass killing. That is… They have factories where they can produce thousands of animals very quickly. Quickly they inject certain vitamins and so on in the animal so that they become fat very fast for mass killing. Prabhupada: How they can produce thousands of animals? Atreya Rsi: They’re producing animals in the laboratories, not with… They’re not producing, they are utilizing nature’s way, but they don’t let the animals see the green and the grass or the outside. They keep them in the barn and just keep feeding them. Prabhupada: I don’t think it is possible. It is simply imagination. Atreya Rsi: It’s the cows which are producing each other, it’s not the man that is producing. But they artificially try to make them fat fast. Prabhupada: And what is the harm if they live? Atreya Rsi: Excuse me, Prabhupada? Prabhupada: There is enough grass. Atreya Rsi: Yes, yes. Devotee (1): This is a nice park. Prabhupada: Yes. Devotee (1): Someday we will put on a nice Hare Krsna festival here in this park. Prabhupada: We shall park here, no? Devotee (1): Yes? Prabhupada: What do you say? Devotee (1): If you would like. Prabhupada: Anywhere. Atreya Rsi: This is a long drive, Srila Prabhupada. It just goes very scenic drive. Prabhupada: You go. Devotee (1): We could walk for some time, walk along the beach. Prabhupada: Yes. Devotee (1): Then we can drive. Prabhupada: Yes. (exits car) Devotee (1): Someday by Krsna’s grace we’ll put a big festival right here. [break] Prabhupada: …forgetfulness of Krsna. When there is Krsna consciousness, it is no longer material. That is spiritual. Atreya Rsi: Those of us who have been blessed by your teachings, we still are conditioned to forget Krsna. It’s very painful when we forget. I know myself, I am still a rascal. It’s very difficult when I forget. [break] Prabhupada: It is your duty to give protection. Devotee (1): When he was very small, he came back from the temple one Sunday chanting and dancing, and finally we went to see what it was. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 29, 1972, San Diego, (new98)