Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginah yasyantam na viduh surasura-gana [SB 12.13.1]. So the brahmanas, although sura, he does not know Krsna. Yasyantam na viduh surasura-gana. The asuras, they do not know. Sometimes they… Muhyanti yat surayah. So this was the test. Krsna made a test, that “These brahmanas are very much proud of their learning, Vedic knowledge. [break] They do not know Me.” Yatatam api siddhanam [Bg. 7.3] Yatatam api siddhanam. They were siddhas, but they do not know Krsna. Yes. Bhagavata: They were not suddha-sattvika. They were only sattvika. Prabhupada: Yes, on the sattvika. Yes, you are right. One has to go above the sattvika position, suddha-sattva. Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam. From Vasudeva conception, the Vasudeva comes out. Dr. Patel: Now, after the suddha-sattva form that you get… Prabhupada: That is vasudeva-sattva. Dr. Patel: Then you are the real devotee. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: After that also, you go beyond all the three gunas. Then you become… [break] Prabhupada: …vasudeva-sabditam. All right, go on. Giriraja: “When the boys saw that the brahmanas would not speak to them, they became very disappointed. They then returned to Lord Krsna…” (reading) [break] Prabhupada: …devotees of Krsna becomes very much disappointed when one sees that the other one is not devotee of Krsna. Giriraja: “They then returned to Lord Krsna and Balarama and explained everything that had happened. After hearing their statements, the Supreme Personality began to smile. He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brahmanas.” Prabhupada: And this is the position of the preacher. Even if you are disappointed, you should not stop your preaching. You should go on with your business. Giriraja: “He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brahmanas. Because that is the way of begging. He convinced them that while one is engaged in collecting or begging, one should not think that he will be successful everywhere. He may be unsuccessful in some places but that should not be cause for disappointment.” Prabhupada: [break] …tama dasa Thakura has said, karma-kanda jnana-kanda, kevala visera bhanda. Bhanda. It is a pot of poison. Karma-kanda, karma-kanda process and the jnana-kanda process, karmis and the jnanis… Karma-kanda jnana-kanda, kevala visera bhanda: “Both of them are poison pots.” Jnana-kanda also. Dr. Patel: But jnana, you say, bhakti or jnana automatically comes up. Prabhupada: No, bhakti does not depend on jnana, but jnana depends on bhakti. Without bhakti, one cannot get liberation simply by jnana. But if one develops bhakti, automatically he gets jnana. Karma-kanda jnana-kanda, kevala visera bhanda. Visera bhanda, amrta baliya yeba khaya. If one mistakes that this is the pot of nectarean, ambrosia, then what is the result? Nana yoni sada phire: “He remains within the cycle of birth and death.” Nana yoni sada phire, kadarya bhaksana kare. And if he gets the body of a hog and dog, then he eats all the abominable things. Nana yoni, tara janma adhah-pate yaya. So he condemns his human form of body in this way, spoils. So one should not be attached to karma-kanda, jnana-kanda. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [BRS 1.1.11]. [break] The inhabitants there, they can go from one planet to another without any aeroplane. That is Siddhaloka. Hm. Go on. Dr. Patel: The highest is Satyaloka, no? Prabhupada: Brahmaloka. No highest Brahmaloka, where Lord Brahma lives. Yaduvara: “There was beating of drums, and being inspired by godly feelings, the residents of Gandharvaloka began to play on their tamburas to please the Lord. Once when he was…” [break] Prabhupada: …what is God. Such innocent. You see? They thought, “Might be some demigod.” That’s all. Yaduvara;: “O Nanda Maharaja, we are now in great doubt. Your son Krsna must be one of the demigods.” [break] Prabhupada: …the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Yaduvara: “And he saved all honest men from the hands of the dishonest.” [break] Prabhupada: …Vrndavana inhabitants, they are always anxious how to save the cows, always. They are connected with cows. Yaduvara: “Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Twenty-sixth chapter of Krsna, Wonderful Krsna.” [break] Prabhupada: …only Indra, even an ordinary person, he thinks he is all in all. Dr. Patel: When he does work, he says, aham karta, aham karta. Prabhupada: Ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. They think like that, the mudhas. Ahankara-vimudhatma. Vimudha. Not only mudha, vimudha. Dr. Patel: Visesa-mudha. Prabhupada: Visesa. But… you are right. “Specifically mudha.” [break] Dr. Patel: Janma karma me divyam. Prabhupada: No. Yam brahma varunendra-rudra-marutah stunvanti divyaih stavair vedaih sanga-pada-krama… Dr. Patel: Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa… [break] Prabhupada: …asura also, they cannot understand, and these so- called scholars, they are interpreting Krsna. Go on. Vimudha. Mayayapahrta-jnanah. Dr. Patel: All the Vaisnava books, all… [break] Prabhupada: Vaisnava acarya… Dr. Patel: No, Vaisnavas, all quotes come from Vaisnavas. They all believe in the form. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Then I was not able to grasp it, though I am born Vaisnava from my right birth. [break] Yaduvara: Lord Indra is saying that Krsna is so merciful that without punishing the offenses of the demons, that He devises means so that their false prestige is subdued. How is that? How does he devise means without punishment. Prabhupada: This is the device, that he agitated Indra, and he came down and surrendered unto Him. This is the device. Not directly punishing. That he came to understand what is the value of Krsna. Yaduvara: “My dear Lord, You are the supreme father, supreme spiritual master and supreme king.” [break] Prabhupada: …accepted by Indra is all described in the Bhagavad-gita. [break] …composed after Mahabharata. Yaduvara: “Due to my gross ignorance, I created great disturbance in Vrndavana by sending torrents of rain and heavy hailstorms.” [break] Prabhupada: …first of all, being observed by father of Krsna. It is very important. [break] …necessity of tapasya, if one worships Krsna? Naradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim. And after austerities, if he does not know Krsna, then what is the value of his tapasya? [break] …imitating here, that is lust. Dr. Patel: Anything with a view on the sex is lust. Prabhupada: Yes. That is lust. Here everything is lust. Center is lust. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45] The central point is sex. Dr. Patel: What this…? (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
May 3, 1974, Bombay