Morning Walk Krsna-kanti: Morning Walk, Morning walk conversation, July 14, 1974, in Marina del Rey. [break] Prabhupada: (indistinct) Satsvarupa: New Vrindaban? (?) [break] Prabhupada: (indistinct) Bali Mardana: The sea is always moving. Prabhupada: [break] …phoned about, about my going there? Bali Mardana: To New Vrindaban? Prabhupada: No. Bali Mardana: Yes, I have told him he is waiting for the date. ’Cause Jayatirtha, we have not fixed up the flight number yet. Devotee: Hamsaduta. Jayatirtha: Oh, Hamsaduta. Yes. Yes, I spoke to him, we spoke to him yesterday morning. (?) (loud waves drown out voices) Prabhupada: Atreya? Bali Mardana: Atreya Rsi? Jayatirtha: Atreya Rsi I have not been able to get through to yet. Bali Mardana: Do you have his telephone number? Jayatirtha: It’s his business. (very loud waves in background) Prabhupada: You have to take visa for Tehran? Jayatirtha: (indistinct) Bali Mardana: [break] …sanctify the whole world by your footsteps. You are criss-crossing the world. Prabhupada: That is stated in the sastra. Tirthi-kurvanti tirthani svantah-sthena gadabhrta. Because a pure devotee carries Krsna within his heart, therefore wherever he goes he makes a holy place. It is said in the sastra. So not me, but every one of you, if you are pure devotee of Krsna, then wherever you’ll go, that is a holy place. Tirthi-kurvanti tirthani svantah… To become sannyasi means that, that he’ll be pure devotee, and wherever he will go, he will purify. That is sannyasa means. Mahad-vicalam nrnam grhinam dina-cetasam. Mahatmas, they’ll travel so that the householders, who are cripple-minded and full of sinful activities, they’ll go there and make them purified. This is the idea of sannyasa. And in the Vedic civilization a brahmacari and a sannyasi has open door. There is no restriction. No “Beware of dog.” (laughter) But now they are prohibited. I have got practical experience. After my sannyasa, when I was touring India, so in Ahmedabad, or Baroda, I was entering one man’s house. So he was standing on the balcony. (laughter) Devotee: Saying “Don’t come”? Prabhupada: “Don’t come.” Bali Mardana: The age of Kali is perpetrating itself. (pause) Prabhupada: It is not their fault. Because in India a sannyasi has become a professional beggar. Just change the dress and you can easily eat without any working. Bali Mardana: And smoke beedies. Prabhupada: Everything they do. In our childhood we had a house for rental. There was a man. He was a professional beggar. You see? So other members of the house, they’ll go to their office. He’ll dress himself just like a sannyasi and go for begging. (laughter) That was his business. (pause) Here in your country there is no such opportunity, but in India there is good opportunity. If you make a dress of sannyasi, you can go anywhere, and you’ll be respectable. They’ll give you for eating. Bali Mardana: Especially they prey on the women. Prabhupada: Yes. Bali Mardana: In Delhi I went to one minister’s house to get some papers. I could see in the back of the house the lady was entertaining some sannyasi with sweetmeats and drinks. Prabhupada: Yes. Satsvarupa: Our men have to change their dress before they go out, brahmacaris. That’s the only way they can beg in this country. Prabhupada: Yes. Umapati: Srila Prabhupada? We, because of our fallen condition, do require many mechanical means by which we can offer one another respects and to teach one another examples of scripture. For example, we are asked to bow our bodies down to show respects, or to call one another “prabhu,” to understand that each person is a spiritual master to the other. How is a… How are the boys and girls to learn these things in manners of decorum and manners from the sannyasis, for example. How are they to offer respects to their godbrothers. And, uh… [break] Prabhupada: You can. You behave like that, others will learn. Umapati: For example, I have seen many godbrothers offer one another respects, but I very seldom see that in terms of some of our leaders. Prabhupada: So some of you show by practical example, guide them. Then others will… Bali Mardana: One person who sees can lead thousands of blind men. Prabhupada: Eh? Yes. Very good. (pause) [break] …not for rain, eh? Simply for covering the sun, eh? Jayatirtha: Yes. Krsna-kanti: There’s no yajna, so there’s no sun. Prabhupada: Hm. Jayatirtha: No rain, no sun. Prabhupada: No, in the Kali-yuga it will be like that. There will be cloud, even thunderbolt and lightning, but there will be no rain. That is stated. Bali Mardana: That is very inauspicious. That is not auspicious. Prabhupada: No. Jayatirtha: In the Krsna Book you say that this Kali-yuga is compared to the cloudy season. Prabhupada: Eh? Jayatirtha: The Kali-yuga is compared to the cloudy season of… Ramesvara: The living entities, the living entities. Jayatirtha: And only by the appearance of Lord Caitanya with the Hare Krsna mantra are the clouds cleared away. Prabhupada: Yes. Ramesvara: Jaya. Just like sometimes there’s a break in the clouds. Sometimes in the Kali-yuga there’s the break, Lord Caitanya’s movement. Prabhupada: Is there any ship here, it is going? No, it is standing. Bali Mardana: There’s little flies and bugs. Krsna-kanti: They’re called sand fleas. Bali Mardana: Sand fleas. Prabhupada: No. They’re eating this. Jayatirtha: Garbage. Bali Mardana: This? Ramesvara: Those are the stones. Prabhupada: They can eat stone and digest. Bali Mardana: They can eat the sand. Prabhupada: Sand? Bali Mardana: The sand is made of little stones. Prabhupada: Yes. Not sand, not sand. Bali Mardana: Pebbles. Prabhupada: What is this? Bali Mardana: Snails. Umapati: Shells. No, birds eat stones too. Prabhupada: No. Yes. They eat that. Jayatirtha: No, I don’t know. They get nutrition from the stones? Svarupa Damodara: No. You said they have a special power to digest. Prabhupada: Yes. Svarupa Damodara: Especially these, what is this called? Duck? Bahulasva: Pigeon. Svarupa Damodara: Oh, pigeon. Yes. Prabhupada: Peacock. Peacock also. Svarupa Damodara: They swallow the… Prabhupada: Peacock also, they can digest. Svarupa Damodara: They can swallow the very hard peas. Prabhupada: Yes. Svarupa Damodara: And they can digest very easily. Prabhupada: (loud waves) …I have seen. Bali Mardana: According to Vedic culture, is seaweed edible? Prabhupada: Eh? Bali Mardana: Seaweed? Is that edible? Prabhupada: I don’t find. Why they should eat seaweed? Bali Mardana: In Asia, many people eat seaweed. Certain types of plants that grow in the sea. Prabhupada: No, no. Ramesvara: In America it is very popular. Prabhupada: That is all right, but why man should eat seaweed? Krsna-kanti: When there are so many nice things. Prabhupada: There are so many vegetables. Bali Mardana: If vegetables are not available. Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna-kanti: They don’t have to cultivate seaweed. They just take. Jayatirtha: They have to go diving with lungs and tanks to collect it rather than plough the earth. Ramesvara: They consider it a delicacy in the restaurants for the macrobiotic people, the young people who are into health foods. It’s a health food. It’s a delicacy. Prabhupada: This is also eaten. (laughter) Yes. This is eaten by the Japanese. They eat it. Bali Mardana: They say it contains much iodine, certain minerals. Prabhupada: They make some food and it is sold. What is called, that? They make some cakes by soaking in the water. Devotee: Soybean? Prabhupada: Not soybean. They make some foodstuff. In India also they are making now. When I was in Ahmedabad, guest of one Mr. Patel, his business is to collect this. And he’s a chemist also. And prepare some food. And he’s got good business. Svarupa Damodara: One of the plans for science in the future is the food from the ocean. Prabhupada: Yes. Food from the ocean is already there—fishes. Svarupa Damodara: No, not only fishes. They’re trying to investigate more. Prabhupada: Fish is not sufficient? Svarupa Damodara: No, fish is not enough. Krsna-kanti: They’re never satisfied with the foods they take. Svarupa Damodara: Investigation is going on about the availability of food in the ocean. Jayatirtha: Also. They want to recycle the stool. There’s one big plan to make a big city, and then the stool is recycled, and sixty percent can be again re-eaten. Umapati: I heard that in Russia they’re already making butter from stool. Jayatirtha: Because the body doesn’t efficiently take all the nutrients. Prabhupada: Yes. They can make butter. This market butter is sometimes coming from stool. (laughter) Jayatirtha: We have to get our own cows very quickly. Umapati: Here too, in this country also, they’re making butter from stool? Prabhupada: Eh? Umapati: In this country also they’re doing that? Prabhupada: The… I… No. During wartime the German people did it, at least. Bahulasva: Now they’re making artificial milk also, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Hm? Bahulasva: :They’re advertising. “It’s just like milk without the sour taste, without the bitter taste.” Prabhupada: Yes. Svarupa Damodara: They are propagating that milk is not good for the (indistinct) natural milk. Prabhupada: Yes. Some scientist came to see me in Melbourne. He was speaking like that. Svarupa Damodara: He was saying that milk is not good. Jayatirtha: Stool is good, but milk is not good. (laughter) Umapati: That’s all right if you’re a pig. Prabhupada: Stool is good… We see the pigs. They eat stool. They become very fatty. Bali Mardana: Stout. Prabhupada: Yes. Bahulasva: They have no brain for understanding Krsna. That only comes from milk? Prabhupada: Milk? Bahulasva: To have a good brain for understanding Krsna? Prabhupada: Not eating so much. Bahulasva: Oh. Bali Mardana: Some devotees think that if they eat large quantities of milk, the more they eat, the more their brain will become big. Prabhupada: No. That is rajasic. Bali Mardana: Rajasic. Prabhupada: Especially for devotee, too much eating is very, very bad. Atyaharah prayasas ca prajalpo niyamagrahah. Too much eating is very bad. Bali Mardana: They should only take what is necessary. Prabhupada: And too much collecting money also. That is also not good. Krsna-kanti: Too much what? Prabhupada: Collecting money. (pause) Svarupa Damodara: We were discussing that in all the living bodies, we have these innumerable cells, living cells. And in these cells… We were just discussing whether the Paramatma and the jivatma is still there even in the living cells. Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Svarupa Damodara: It is. It is there. So actually our body’s a combination of these so many living entities. Prabhupada: Atoms, yes. Why not? The every living entity is one ten- thousandth part of the tip of a hair. So many hairs are there. And that is one ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair. Where is the difficulty. Bali Mardana: So there is one jivatma who’s in control of the body. The others are subservient. Prabhupada: Yes. Jivatma is everywhere. But you have got your own field. Just like for agricultural purpose you have got a big field, but there are so many millions of microbes and… Bali Mardana: Yes. Prabhupada: But it is your field. Not that when you go out of the field one of them becomes you. No, that is not. That is individuality. When you leave, you leave your field. That’s all. Bali Mardana: So when we leave the field, then the other cells in the body also leave their field. Prabhupada: Yes, therefore the germs come out as soon as it is proper time. So these nonsense, they do not know that, that the… Creating life, the ingredients… If they say that material combination makes life, so material combination is there already. Why the, that man is not coming? That is… He’s individual, and they are also individual. I have got my field. I am individual. I leave it. But because there are so many other microbes, they will come as me. No, that is not possible. Svarupa Damodara: Yes, yes, but temporarily, I cannot live without them. Prabhupada: Eh? Svarupa Damodara: I cannot live in my body without them. Prabhupada: Without them… You cannot live with this material body without so many conditions. And that is also one of the conditions. You cannot live. Any condition, little disturbed… You become diseased; you become disturbed. So therefore it is called conditional life. You simply live here on condition. And spiritual life means no condition. If the condition is favorable, then your senses will act. Otherwise you have got useless senses. If there is light, then you can see. You can become proud of your eyes. “Can you show me God?” And what you can see, rascal? If God gives you light, then you can see. You see under condition. And still, he’s very proud of his eyes. “Can you show me God?” This is going on. Rascal, what you can see? Devotees: Watch out! (ocean water apparently comes up to devotees.) Jayatirtha: Hare Krsna! Ah. Govinda. Prabhupada: Eh? Jayatirtha: The water’s coming up to touch your lotus feet, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: (loud waves) So we are conditioned. And still, we are searching out the truth. What is your truth? You are conditioned. Bali Mardana: So they only end up with a conditioned truth, a relative truth. Prabhupada: Yes. The more you are not conditioned, the more your finding out truth is perfect. But it is not possible for you to become completely unconditioned. That is not possible. That is mukta purusa, liberated. Therefore we have to take knowledge from the person who is not conditioned. That is perfect knowledge. And one who is conditioned, what is the value of his giving knowledge? So therefore we don’t accept any knowledge from the conditioned souls. Conditioned soul is imperfect by the four deficiencies. Bhrama, pramada… He must commit mistake. So what is the value of his knowledge? There is no value. We take knowledge from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is unconditioned. There is a verse in the Srimad-Bhagavata: esad isanam isasya. That is God. God means He becomes, He comes within this material world, but He’s not conditioned. That is Krsna. Bali Mardana: And His representative. Prabhupada: Yes. The whole thing is managed by the law of gravitation, but when Krsna lifted the hill, there was no weight. He’s not conditioned by the law of gravity. He can lift up. We cannot do because we are conditioned. And when they cannot understand God’s inconceivable power, they think it is all mythology. Because he is a rascal, he thinks Krsna also rascal. Bali Mardana: They try to put Krsna within the framework of their own… Prabhupada: Yes. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11] Because Krsna is kindly become visible to our eyes, these rascals immediately take Him as one of us. By His kindness He’s coming to be visible by us, to listen Him, His instructions, but these mudhas will take Him as ordinary human being. Mudha nabhijanati mam ebhyah param avyayam. Svarupa Damodara: So the consciousness, my consciousness… The consciousness of those living cells are dependent on my consciousness. Prabhupada: No, that consciousness is not developed. It is not equal to your consciousness. Just like a child’s consciousness is not equal to your consciousness because he’s not yet developed, similarly, this human life is the full-fledged… Not full-fledged. Almost full demonstration of consciousness. We have to utilize it for higher understanding. From material conditions, the consciousness develops. On account of loss of consciousness, they become godless. So it requires time. So this Hare Krsna movement is to help them to develop consciousness very quickly. Yes. Otherwise, it will take millions of years. Manusyanam sahasresu kascit yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3] We are helping people to develop that original consciousness very quickly. [break] Svarupa Damodara: These cells, the micro-cells, they divide. They… Just like… Prabhupada: Let them do whatever they do, but still, Krsna is there. Andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. [break] …your undeveloped conscious, more you are servant of nature. The mo… As you have got less developed consciousness,… Just like the dog and the girl, she is developed consciousness. Therefore the dog, less conscious, it is serving. Similarly, if you are not Krsna conscious fully, then you have to serve maya. Bahulasva: Kali-dasa. (japa) Prabhupada: To serve maya means to accept this material body. maya will give you a dress according to your karma, and you’ll have to work. This will continue. Bali Mardana: Oh. So those who do not develop their Krsna consciousness fully must again take a birth. Prabhupada: Oh yes. nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye yata atmano ’yam asann api klesada asa dehah [Bhag. 5.5.4] This is the instruction of Rsabhadeva, that “These rascals are working like madmen.” Nunam pramattah. Pramattah means mad. And always doing mischievous, sinful activities. So this is not good. Because he does not know that for his mischievous sinful activities, he has got a body which is always miserable. So it will continue, to accept miserable body. Therefore it is not good. A doctor can see that “This man is infecting this disease and he will suffer.” But the rascal man cannot understand that “I am infecting something and I’ll have to suffer.” [break] The karmis, they are trying to become happy by improving this material condition. But he does not know that he is becoming implicated more and more. Because he’ll have to accept the body. And there are so many varieties of body. (devotees laugh at something) This is childish. That, our Giriraja took some money. Bali Mardana: Who? Prabhupada: Giriraja. Bali Mardana: Giriraja. Prabhupada: Yes. He said, “Everyone is God.” Somebody said. So Giriraja said, “I am God?” “Yes, you are God.” “Then I can take your money?” “Yes.” And he gave him some money, all the money. (laughter) So out of sentiment, whatever money he had in his pocket, he gave him. Umapati: It was ninety dollars. Prabhupada: Eh? Umapati: Ninety dollars it was. Prabhupada: Anyway… Bali Mardana: He was caught in his own philosophy. Prabhupada: Yes. Jayatirtha: By the same trick, Madhudvisa Swami once got someone to take all of his clothes off and give it to him. “If everything is all one, then you will not mind giving me your clothes.” Prabhupada: No. Their philosophy is “We are one. What is mine, that is mine. And your—also mine. (laughter) Therefore we are one.” And as soon as you’ll say, “No, why not your mine?” that is, that is not agreeable. Harer nama [Adi 17.21] Svarupa Damodara: That type of philosophy will not last long. (long pause) Srila Prabhupada, in the highly developed consciousness that, in the body, which is highly, consciousness which is highly developed… Prabhupada: That is Krsna consciousness, devotee. Svarupa Damodara: So in the… Prabhupada: Highly developed consciousness means he’s a devotee. Svarupa Damodara: Yes, but what is the relationship of those individuals who are living with him, though they are not conscious. Prabhupada: They will live. Just like a dog live with you. But you are developed; he’s not developed. Svarupa Damodara: But still, he’s benefited. Prabhupada: Eh? Svarupa Damodara: He’s benefited from the consciousness of the master. Prabhupada: Yes. So… If the master is devotee, then he’s benefited. Kita janma hau yatha tuwa dasa. Bhaktivinoda Thakura sings that “Let me become a worm in the house of a devotee. If I have to take birth, I don’t want a life, nondevotional life, even it is like Brahma. I’ll prefer to become a worm in the house of a devotee.” This is the prayer of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Harer nama harer nama… [Adi 17.21]. Svarupa Damodara: Similarly, when we associate with a spiritual master who has Krsna consciousness, automatically we also have some taste. Prabhupada: Yes. Svarupa Damodara: Students. Prabhupada: Bhakti means enhancing spiritual taste. That is bhakti. Bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra syat [SB 11.2.42]. And as he increases his spiritual taste, he becomes (sic:) detestful to this material enjoyment. This is the taste. Jayatirtha: We should engage the hippies in keeping this place clean. Prabhupada: Eh? Jayatirtha: The hippies are simply sleeping, and the beach remains dirty. Prabhupada: Oh. Jayatirtha: Mismanagement. Devotees: Jaya. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. (end)
at Marina del Rey
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
July 14, 1974, Los Angeles