Morning Walk Conversation Prabhupada: (sound of bird chirping) …take the fruits and singing morning. They are happier. Ramesvara: When we tell people that they may take their next birth as an animal, they say that is all right because the animals are happier than the humans. Prabhupada: But because you are rascal, you do not know, you can become more happier, go back to home, back to Godhead. That you do not know. (Sounds of birds singing) Just see how. What is this? Tamala Krsna: That’s the bird that was singing. [break] Prabhupada: …there? A small bird! Jayatirtha: There’s one expression in Anerica, “Free as a bird.” People think that the birds are more free than they are. Prabhupada: Yes, certainly. Devotee: Also “The birds and the bees.” Culminate (?) in sex life. [break] Satsvarupa: Balboa Park. He was a Spanish explorer. He’s supposed to be the first one to see the Pacific Ocean. Prabhupada: Oh. Jayatirtha: He was the first white man to discover California, I think? Satsvarupa: Yeah. [break] Prabhupada: First man to see the Pacific? Yadubara: Yes. Ramesvara: Only four hundred years ago. Jayatirtha: First white man. Yadubara: The Indians were there, of course. The Red Indians were already there. Prabhupada: Yes. Yadubara: In California. Prabhupada: Everyone was there, but they do not know. (chuckles) The Pacific and Atlantic Ocean is mentioned in Kalidasa Kavi’s book, Kumara-sambhava. Toya-nidhim avagahya sthitah prthivyam iva mana-dandah. They are all mentioned, Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean. These fools do not know anything. And they say, therefore, “First man to come,” as if before him there was no man. Just see. “There was no man. There was no civilization,” these rascals’ version. What is that bridge? Is that bridge? Jayatirtha: It’s a bridge that goes to one island. [break] Prabhupada: …explain; therefore they bring this theory of chance. But we don’t find any such chance in practical life. “There was a fool and he became high court judge.” Is there any? “There was a fool. He became a high court judge.” Is there any evidence like that? “There was ape. It became human, human being.” I am simply surprised how this kind of argument is accepted by other fools. Tamala Krsna: And if you don’t accept it, then they fail you in the examination. Prabhupada: Huh? Tamala Krsna: If you don’t accept and repeat it, then you become failed in the examination. Then you can’t get a diploma. Then you cannot get a good job. So they force you to repeat it. [break] Prabhupada: Field. All of a sudden it became by chance a garden and beautiful, everything. [break] Tamala Krsna: El Cid Conquedor. Jayatirtha: He was a famous Spanish soldier. Ramesvara: He fought the Muslims when they invaded Spain. He is a famous Spanish man who fought against the Muslims when they invaded. From Africa, they crossed over the sea and invaded Spain. Brahmananda: The Moors. [break] Prabhupada: This has got some meaning. What is this matchbox? There is earth, there is sands (sense?), there is comfort. So we shall go this way or…? [break] It is all vacant? [break] Big demonstration of cow fighting, bull fighting, and kill them. Such a Christian is trying to convert others as Christians! Just see the fun. Christ said, “Thou shall not kill,” and they are sporting with the life of bull, and they are Christian. We have to believe. Yadubara: Isn’t that somewhat in the ksatriya spirit? Prabhupada: Nonsense spirit. Rascal spirit. Yadubara: But sometimes those people get killed when they’re fighting the bull. Prabhupada: But your arrangement is to kill the bull. By chance or by God’s desire you become killed. Brahmananda: It’s a very popular sport. Prabhupada: Yes. And they are Christians. Jayatirtha: I think before the bullfighter goes to the ring, he first goes to the church and prays for blessings that he will be able to do very nicely. Prabhupada: Accha? Brahmananda: And everyone gets drunk. Prabhupada: Very good preaching. Yadubara: They also have those cock fights, you know, those chicken fights. [break] Prabhupada: …begin war with their own children. This is also war. The child wants to come out, and they are fighting, advanced. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
July 28, 1975, San Diego