Morning Walk Conversation Dhrstaketu: It says that, er… stated that the Lord’s pastimes in Vrndavana and Dvaraka are passing through the universe just as the sun passes over the face of the earth. Prabhupada: Where is that? Dhrstaketu: So, and each time they are the same. The same pastimes beginning from His birth up to mausala-lila, they are the same each time. Prabhupada: No. Dhrstaketu: No? They are different in different universes? Oh. Prabhupada: Varieties. Dhrstaketu: Oh. So that means that we just get a glimpse of… Prabhupada: (to passerby:) Hare Krsna. Dhrstaketu: …Krsna’s pastimes. Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna is unlimited; His pastimes are unlimited. Indian man (1): Could I permitted to take a Bengali class one hour daily, the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust room for foreign and also Indian boys? Prabhupada: They are interested in learning Bengali? Indian man (1): Yes, some of them are interested. Prabhupada: Yes? Indian man (1): I think they should learn Bengali well to go through the books written in original—Vrndavana dasa Thakura’s and the six Gosvamis. If they learn, then they will be able to understand the siddhanta very well. Prabhupada: We are presenting them in English. Dhrstaketu: If the Lord’s pastimes are…, they are manifested differently, are they manifested the same in each…, in one universe? In this universe are they the same or…? Are they different every time? In other words, is the Srimad-Bhagavatam a history of what took place once, and then it will be different next time? Prabhupada: That is not different. Each of them are identical. Dhrstaketu: But there are new ones also? New pastimes? Prabhupada: Everything identical. Now, this grass grown here and this grass grown there, there may be some difference, but they are identical. Harer nama harer nama… [Adi 17.21]. [break] …that professor who has reviewed Caitanya-caritamrta? Brahmananda: I think it was J. Bruce Long. Cornell University, very respected university. Prabhupada: Oh. And what he is there? Brahmananda: Professor of Asian Studies. Kirtiraja says that he is considered one of the authorities. Prabhupada: Of Indian. Indology. Brahmananda: Yes. And his reviews are published extensively in various journals. So they are going to try to get this review published also. [break] Prabhupada: Charity box daily counted? Dhananjaya: Yes. Daily counted. Prabhupada: So how much it is? Dhananjaya: Purna-candra, how much was collected? Purna-candra: 120 rupees. Prabhupada: So you write separately. Purna-candra: Yes, Prabhupada. Prabhupada: And it is sent to the bank. And foodstuff selling? Prasada? Purna-candra: It is… Collected sixty rupees. Prabhupada: Book? Purna-candra: Ninety rupees. Prabhupada: So they are all differently? Purna-candra: Yes. [break] Prabhupada: What is the sale proceeds of the prasada? Dhananjaya: During the week it’s about sixty to eighty rupees, and at the weekends, over a hundred rupees. At weekends there are far more people coming to the temple from Delhi. Prabhupada: So average, eighty rupees. So you are purchasing ghee, four kilos or more. Dhananjaya: Now we have stopped that. Prabhupada: Eh? Dhananjaya: Now we have stopped. We’ve reduced the quantity. Prabhupada: Why you were purchasing more? Dhananjaya: We were purchasing because the ghee was being used in all the preparations, in all the vegetable preparations… Prabhupada: That’s all right. So what is the price of four kilos? Devotee (2): Eighty-eight rupees. Prabhupada: Huh? Dhananjaya: Eighty-eight rupees. Prabhupada: So you collect only the ghee price. And what about others? Other, attar and sugar and so many things? That means you are spending hundred rupees, and the kitchen department, you are is collecting eighty rupees. So twenty rupees lost. Hm? So what is this business? What you are spending, you must collect also. Or balance you are eating? Dhananjaya: A few days ago a devotee donated three hundred rupees to the Deities. Prabhupada: Donated, that is all right. I am talking of the business. Dhananjaya: I see. Prabhupada: Donate, I may donate three thousand. But that is a different thing. But from practical point of view, you are spending hundred rupees per day, and you are collecting eighty rupees. Dhananjaya: So we should only make what we… Prabhupada: You should only… You do not know what you are doing. That is my point. You do not know what you are doing. Dhananjaya: The point is we want to keep a good standard of prasadam. So one day if we… Prabhupada: That’s all right, good standard, but you must collect good standard also. (chuckles) Spend good standard and collect bad standard. What is this? Indian man (1): But there is great demand for prasadam. Great demand for prasadam. Prabhupada: So why you are not making more and sell? Dhananjaya: No, during the week there are not so many people. Like yesterday Patita-pavana was explaining that there was prasadam left over. Prabhupada: So you should know. You have experience when it is demand and more. Dhananjaya: Yes. That we know. We know the demand is at the weekends, and there’s also some special festivals, so we make more prasadam for these occasions. Indian man (1): There is another great demand for photos of… Almost everyone asks for photos of the Deities of the temple and of other places also. They all…, the temples and Deities. Everyone asks for photos, nice photos. Prabhupada: So why they are not printed? Indian man (1): They will be good sale of photos, I think. (Hindi) It may be supplied in that book shop. Dhananjaya: So Bhargava has taken many good shots of the Deities on color film, and Gopala Krsna informed me that we should print postcard-size photos of the Deities and sell them for fifty paisas each. So that, Gopala Krsna is arranging for. [break] …demand for prasadam will go on increasing because one doctor came to our temple and informed us that at Bankebihari Mandir, because they have been giving out old prasadam, selling old prasadam, which is not in accordance with the health safety rules, they are going to take away that privilege of selling prasadam from Bankebihari temple. Prabhupada: So you don’t do that. You prepare and sell fresh. Don’t prepare more what is required. You have brought that pulleys? Dhananjaya: Yes. And he got two. Prabhupada: You have fixed up? Gunarnava: They are fixing today. They started the work. Prabhupada: You know how to fix? Gunarnava: Yes. They know how to do it. Prabhupada: One bamboo, you just crosswise fix up and then in the middle… The rope should come through one pulley first, then the second pulley. Then it will not go out. Indian man (1): Ringing also will be nice. Prabhupada: Yes. So you see to fix it up nicely. Harer nama, harer nama [Adi 17.21]. Saccidananda said they are purchasing vegetables, fruits—125—but you have increased, 190. Why? Dhananjaya: The devotees’ prasada? Devotees’ bhoga? Prabhupada: Devotees or… Daily they were purchasing 125. But you said, “No, it must be more,” and the banana is rotting. Why do you purchase more? Dhananjaya: No, I allotted five rupees per person. Prabhupada: Therefore it must be spent. Dhananjaya: No, not it must be spent. Prabhupada: Then? Because five rupees allotted, then it must be spent. Never mind the fruits are rotten. What is this intelligence? To save money or to squander it, that is your policy. Dhananjaya: So when you told Smara-hari to purchase in quantity, the first thing he purchased was bananas. Prabhupada: Because he is monkey, he wants banana, very nice. Smara-hari: You see, Prabhupada, yesterday we fasted in the morning and because it was ekadasi there were extra bananas bought for yesterday morning, and they weren’t used, so there are some left over. So this is why… Prabhupada: Why some left over? Smara-hari: Because they weren’t used yesterday morning. Prabhupada: They weren’t, but why it is left over? Smara-hari: They were saved for this morning to save money, Srila Prabhupada. Rather than eat a lot of bananas yesterday afternoon, they were saved for this morning. Prabhupada: When it is required, you can purchase. But I understand that you purchase more and it is left over. Don’t squander money. Atyaharah prayasas ca prajalpo niya… Atyahara—to eat more, to collect more, they are against bhakti principle. And why they are going twice in the market? Dhananjaya: Because sometimes Daivi-sakti, she does not give her list. Prabhupada: That’s all right. Does not give list—then don’t bring. Everyone must supply list in the evening and once it should… (aside) Jaya. It is not that Daivi-sakti gives one list—you have to go. What is this? Everything purchased in the morning, that’s all. And rice, dahl, attar, ghee, for fifteen days. Only the raw fruits and vegetables should be purchased every morning. That’s all. Dhananjaya: So Visvambhara is going this morning to grain merchants to arrange. Prabhupada: Hm? Dhananjaya: Visvambhara is going to arrange that today, to purchase for fifteen days. Prabhupada: Any shopkeeper will supply fifteen days. He will bring at your home and your pay him, forthrightly? (indistinct) Indian man (1): Srila Prabhupada? Should not the temple be kept open earlier than six o’clock in the afternoon? Many people are… Prabhupada: Six o’clock? Gunarnava: 5:15. Indian man (1): Six o’clock. The temple is going to open in the afternoon at six o’clock. Dhananjaya: Temple opens at four o’clock. The door of the gates. Indian man (1): No, temple, mandir. Dhananjaya: The gates open at four o’clock, and the doors open at 5:15 for arati. Arati is at 5:15. Prabhupada: But 5:15 means six because you are very expert. Dhananjaya: Always it’s 5:15. Indian man (1): Not earlier than 5:30, I find. Gunarnava: No, it’s 5:15. Dhananjaya: (to Indian man:) You are saying wrong. It’s 5:15 every day. It’s never late. Prabhupada: No, why not five? Why 5:15? Make it five. Dhananjaya: All right. Prabhupada: Your signboard is “five.” Why you make 5:15? Everything should be on routine, strictly. Dhananjaya: But the main gates are open to the public at four o’clock. Prabhupada: That’s nice. They can wait on the corridor. I wanted Pranava to speak, but he is not interested. What I can do? I told you that “You read books and speak. Try to preach.” Yes. Did I not say? Did I not say to you that you and Diksita, “Study together and…” Pranava (an older Indian man): We started immediately on the very same day. Next day I was asked to leave, so I have left. Prabhupada: You have left forever. Pranava: No. I can never leave for… Prabhupada: That’s all right. Then why don’t you do that business? In the evening, four o’clock, you can speak. The whole day you can read and reproduce in the four o’clock. Then you understand what is the philosophy. If you simply reproduce what is written there in the book you become preacher. Yare dekha, tare kaha ‘krsna’-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128] We haven’t got to manufacture anything. Pranava: Since you have asked me, I have got one question I ask you. Yesterday my wife went for sankirtana, and the mike was stopped in the middle, so she felt little… But I said, “Since we have to make kirtana, Prabhupada…” Prabhupada: Why the mike was stopped? Indian: “…like it and you should go on.” So if your kind permission is there, she will continue in whatever way… Gunarnava: In what way was the microphone stopped? What do you mean? Pranava: Yes, it was stopped for some time. Prabhupada: That mike stops sometimes. That is another thing, not that purposely… Pranava: It stopped purposely. And especially at the time of that tulasi arati also because somebody may not have liked that she should come or…. Gunarnava: Who stopped your wife from singing? Pranava: That I don’t know. Brahmananda: You have to say. Gunarnava: You have to tell. Brahmananda: You have to say. Pranava: I’ll find out. Brahmananda: You find out. Pranava: I didn’t come. She came at that time only. In the morning time the mike is not, also it is not allowed to use. I think it is… Prabhupada: No, no, unless there is crowd, don’t use the mike. Pranava: But in morning time… Prabhupada: Morning or evening, unless there is crowd, what is the use of using mike? Pranava: For broadcasting outside. Prabhupada: No, no. No, no. When there is crowd, you use mike. [break] …Saheb is doing? Dhananjaya: Mr. Cyavana? Now he is sitting at the reception desk in the morning, and Nayanabhirama… Prabhupada: What is the reception? Who is coming? Dhananjaya: Some people are always coming. They are inquiring about the guesthouse, about life membership. And Nayanabhirama is instructing him how to inform the people about membership and about the guest rooms. Actually Rajasabha, he keeps a hotel in Madhya Pradesh. Prabhupada: Hm? Dhananjaya: He has his own hotel business, so he is quite experienced. Prabhupada: So he can manage. Dhananjaya: Yes. So there’s no need for added expense of getting someone from outside. Prabhupada: No. No. If he can manage, that is nice. Dhananjaya: Otherwise I am sure such a person will simply try to cheat us. And he is quite prepared to do that service for us. Prabhupada: All right. Let him do that. Now bring guest. Dhananjaya: Yes. So Tejas, he has prepared some ads for the Delhi newspapers. Prabhupada: What is ad? Dhananjaya: Advertising. Prabhupada: I know that. Dhananjaya: And we have also prepared signs. Brahmananda: How much did you spend on ads? Dhananjaya: One hundred rupees. Prabhupada: Eh? Dhananjaya: One hundred rupees. Prabhupada: For advertising? Dhananjaya: Yes. Prabhupada: What is the subject matter? Dhananjaya: Well, he made a design of the front of the temple, and he put underneath, “Come and stay at the Krsna-Balarama asrama for…” Prabhupada: “Krsna-Balarama temple,” not “asrama.” Dhananjaya: “Temple.” All right. “And become…” Something like, “and become enlightened with transcendental knowledge,” something like that. He’s explaining briefly. Prabhupada: He… What does he know? He’ll explain? He is explaining. What does he know. He’ll explain? Dhananjaya: Tejas has written. Prabhupada: No, no. That Rajasabha. Dhananjaya: Oh, Rajasabha. Prabhupada: Rajasabha, what does he know about our philosophy? Dhananjaya: Well, Nayanabhirama is there to guide him. And he’s reading every day also. He’s got our books, and he’s reading every day without fail. Prabhupada: Then it is all right. Dhananjaya: In fact, he was asking for more books, and I said, “First of all you read all these books I have given you. Then I will supply you more. So he spends at least three or four hours a day reading in his room. Prabhupada: That’s good. So he should read Srimad-Bhagavad-gita, Nectar of Devotion, then Srimad-Bhagavatam, then Caitanya-caritamrta. [break] …but he still has asked for books. He wants to become member. From Jaipur. How to…? [break] (Hindi) Indian man (1): (Hindi) I cannot start because I have shifted. I’ll arrange. Prabhupada: All right. Harikesa: He comes every night at arati, the nine o’clock arati. Prabhupada: Call him. I want to talk with him. (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
September 18, 1975, Vrndavana