Room Conversation Prabhupada: …the society. Eh? Father, mother, killing children, is that human society? Ramesvara: No, lower than animal. Prabhupada: You see? And we have to tolerate this? Ramesvara: Well, what about all these artificial divisions, “this nation,” “that nation,” “this land”? Prabhupada: That is also another fanaticism. Ramesvara: Nationalism. Prabhupada: Yes. That is another fanaticism, gundaism. Not nationalism. Gundaism. “Everything belongs to God. We are sons of God. We must enjoy everywhere. You cannot check.” Ramesvara: It seems that eventually, then, the Krsna conscious movement will establish one world government. Prabhupada: Yes. That is wanted. Actually that is the meaning. Ramesvara: Within the period of… Prabhupada: We actually do. When you go to the sea, who claims “This is my sea”? Hari-sauri: Actually they’re doing that now. They have twelve-mile limits and things like that. Prabhupada: That is also limited. So twelve miles… Hari-sauri: Middle of Atlantic they’re not claiming. Prabhupada: Yes. There is no claim. Ramesvara: So Lord Caitanya’s movement will actually reach that level. Prabhupada: Yes. That is Krsna consciousness. Isavasyam idam sarvam: “Everything belongs to Krsna.” We are all children. The America is protecting for Americans “No! No American. Let the Chinese. They are so well congested. The Indians, come on!” You came here. It is not your father’s property. Why do you check others, rascal? You stolen this property from the Red Indians, and now you have become proprietor. Ramesvara: And they’re paying the farmers not to grow food in America. Prabhupada: Just see. There is purnam idam [Isopanisad, Invocation]. By God’s arrangement everything is full. There is no question of overpopulation. Just see. So much land is lying vacant. There is no utilization. Ramesvara: No, they should use their science for developing the resources for the benefit of all people. Prabhupada: There is no needs of science. This is the science: chant Hare Krsna; there will be sufficient rain, and you till the ground and grow food. Hari-sauri: Actually by their science… Prabhupada: This is the science. Hari-sauri: Their science is incapable. Prabhupada: Yajnad bhavati parjanyah [Bg. 3.14]. If there is… What is your nonsense science? If there is no rain, drought, what you can do? Hari-sauri: They can’t develop their science to that point where they can… Prabhupada: No, these… These scientists are rascals. I call them rascals. That’s… Hari-sauri: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. [break] Ramesvara: …to make them fatter. Prabhupada: So madman they are. Ramesvara: It was in Reader’s Digest. They had that idea. And they described one man who invested fifty thousand dollars and imported crabs from, where? Australia, Indonesia. And he put them in a pond. He was thinking they will reproduce and I’ll have huge family of crabs. Prabhupada: That you can have. That is material… Ramesvara: And the crabs, in such close quarters, they began eating each other. Prabhupada: Accha? Ramesvara: And at the end he had one crab left for his fifty thousand dollars. (chuckling) Prabhupada: A madman working… Chagale na khaya, pagale ki bale. “A madman, what does he not say, and a goat, what does he not eat?” There is a system like that amongst the Muhammadan aristocracy. They keep one hundred chickens. Each day they kill one chicken, and that flesh, chopped up and given to the ninety-nine. Then, next day another. In this way, when one is left, that the master eats. Concentrating from hundred to one, and then he eats it. This is Muhammadan process. Ramesvara: What is the use? Prabhupada: They know. (chuckling) They think the hundred chickens’ vitamin comes into one. Hari-sauri: Mayayapahrta-jnana. Prabhupada: And by eating such chicken, you don’t require one cloth. That is aristocracy. They, during severe cold, they will have fine panjabi. You know panjabi? Hari-sauri: Yes, very thin. Prabhupada: And if you wear… (end)
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar